^for reference lang, kung may mga hindi pa tayo na tackle atleast mailatag na at lumawak ang discussion. dami pa nga similar threads at mga discussions dati pero yan na lang muna since latest
@allen. Nope video is for para malaman lng how they process it. Kaya sabi ko somehow it explain. Blend n sinasabi ko is sample. Casein, muscle milk, and others protein made from soy egg or milk.
Why serious is mura. From the vid processing and seperating protein from fat and carbs ay maproseso thats why its easier to just add more fat or carb. Less process mas mura.
so yung usual split ng mga IFBB bro i.e Steve Cook, Jeff Seid na nakabalandra sa mga google eh 40/40/20 split at mali rin?
Jeff and steve are not natural. Only few are actually nat. Matt ogus is a natty@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.
Got my info sa iba. Nde lng sa google. My question is if you dont believe research studies which by the way conducted by experts then san nyo nakukuha ung facts nyo?. A word coming from an article? Or coming from a bro kasi his big?
Less ung pag process ng product. If iseseperate m ung protein from carbs and fat mas maproseso ang paggawa to create whey isolates or magibg puro protein lng. So the company charge more in doing hard processing.
I got mine from a reliable source. Nutritionist/pravtitioner. You can do high protein. But lowering carbs is not beneficial. You lose weight because you are on a kcal deficit. Carbs is needed for energy source dude. And i know you already know that. Low carb is just done if your gonna prepare for a show. Which im not. So practicing a healthier lifestyle more i think is good
Then you know your way man. But not everyone is knowledgeable like you and apply the same thing. Sinasabi ko lng is my opinion for others na mas mapaeasy ung lifestyle. Whatever you do or method it only ends up into two things. Calorie surplus makes gain weight and deficit makes you loose weight. And having higher carbs than protein is much easier sa lifestyle.
Yeah higher carbs can get away with it's good benefits, however, it's easy from others to say na taasan if you had some good lean muscles stared ( based on your journal matagal ka na sa pagbubuhat ) so basically you had some muscles beneath your previous pre-knowledge and dead serious state on bb, so that means leaner people can get away with higher carbs.
For the newbies especially fatter people, they can't get away for high carbs intake, why? I know you know why they can't adhere for that matter and tends to end up with higher protein vs carbs due to their starting size.
As I've said earlier, high protein promote satiety versus carbs so that they can still feel full despite of dropping some amounts of carbs.
Kaya madalas na advice is to bulk up pero may reduce amount of this and that and increase amount of this and that with the simplest advice from the masters can give.
Lahat kasi ng sinasabi mo alam na namin lol paulit-ulit ka nalang parang ni lelecturan mo pa kami eh ka bago-bago mo dito. Kung bago at maganda yang impormasyong mabibigay mo edi maganda pero kung puro generic lang naman wag mo na kami lecturan.
@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.
woa. boy nagiisip ka ba? so pag ang whey hinalo ko sa casein magiging casein na ang whey? yun ung point ko.
kung 24 grams ang casein mo hinalo mo sa 24grams na whey hindi magiging 48grams na casein? GETS MO?
whey will still be absorbed faster and the casein will be absorbed longer.
24 grams will still be absorbed as whey
and
24 grams will still be absorbed as casein
and im aware on blended proteins. like myofusion and promatrix 7, but the whey there is a bit low.
kung isang serving ng myofusion is 24 grams of protein
it can mean na
5grams is soy protein
5grams is rice protein
5grams is isolate
5grams is concentrate
4grams is hydrolyzed
unlike sa Whey na ikaw ang maghahalo sa Milk or Casein
its will still be
Whey conc/hydro/iso
+
Casein/Milk
gets mo? hindi magic ang paghahalo ng whey sa casein. mag aral ka muna kaya ng biochemistry saka mo ko turuan ng napupulot mo sa google boy.
So ano na ang pinaguusapan dito? kindly give us a brief outline of what you guys are pointing out? para macompare natin
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medyo nalito din ako sa discussion nila una about absorption and sources lang napunta kela Steve fox at matt bogus tas napunta ke pareng google at wikipedia.
Got my info sa iba. Nde lng sa google. My question is if you dont believe research studies which by the way conducted by experts then san nyo nakukuha ung facts nyo?. A word coming from an article? Or coming from a bro kasi his big?
[size=x-small](*bump)[/size]Are aware of the limitations of the studies you're providing to us?
IMO, hindi naman sa hindi ako naniniwala but, I'm not making my mind settled and make absolute basis on those researches. I know most of them are conducted in a short term duration, and that's among what most studies concerning health biggest flaws are. Gagawin mo lang in months? Nabubuhay ang tao for decades, even on extreme rare cases, we have centennarians. Kung hindi man doon ang problema, nasa subjects/participants/groups ng studies.
..."then san nyo nakukuha ung facts nyo?. A word coming from an article? Or coming from a bro kasi his big?"...
Kami bang nandito ba sa forums yun? You are making accusations like you've already read a lot what all the members discussed here in this forum. And I know that won't be necessary kung hindi ka open-minded.
Ok before ego give whey(oh wait, that should be 'way'), don't get me wrong like am mad typing to you right now.
I got mine from a reliable source. Nutritionist/pravtitioner.
So where did we got ours?
So let's say there's this nutritionist/practitioner, would you believe him if his big? Would you believe him if he made some research regarded in some article in a certain way?
I believe there's a room for common sense here...
And having higher carbs than protein is much easier sa lifestyle.
And muscles have protein in it. A person may survive for days without food, not without water, because of the energy stored in our body, amongst the energy in muscles, bodyfats and other organs. I'm certain you already know that.
It's normal for human beings to aspire for the word 'easy'. Nobody gets contented! Nobody gets contented where they at now. There always the room for improvement.
@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.
"kung 24 grams ang casein mo hinalo mo sa 24grams na whey hindi magiging 48grams na casein? GETS MO?...
...gets mo? hindi magic ang paghahalo ng whey sa casein. mag aral ka muna kaya ng biochemistry saka mo ko turuan ng napupulot mo sa google boy."
aloy - He thinks nutrition works like an alchemy. I think this guy watching or reading too much of those stuff. And I also think the word 'easy' was planted in this op mind. The complexities of chemistry, yes, are by some means no longer accepted! We have alchemy! [size=x-small](*Sarcasm is optional)[/size]
so para sa lahat ng bagito na tulad ko na pusibleng na misinfo ng google at wiki , ano ba ang dapat? 1g/bw protein , bawal sumobra ? bawal kumulang? Turuan ba mag bilang o hindi ng pagkain? O umasa sa tanchahan etc?
Alam natin na walang one size fits all pero ano ang pinaka magandang advice para sa tulad naming baguhan sa nutrisyon na buod o napakadaling maintindihan ng simula?
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Why serious is mura. From the vid processing and seperating protein from fat and carbs ay maproseso thats why its easier to just add more fat or carb. Less process mas mura.
Jeff and steve are not natural. Only few are actually nat. Matt ogus is a natty@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.@alloy. Search blended. Are you familiar why some add whey and casein together? Because casein is a blend. This kind of protein coming from soy and milk are mas matagl idigest ng katawan.
Blend of what?Kaya mas mura ang serious kasi less process?
Parehong inalisan ng carbs and fat.
For the newbies especially fatter people, they can't get away for high carbs intake, why? I know you know why they can't adhere for that matter and tends to end up with higher protein vs carbs due to their starting size.
As I've said earlier, high protein promote satiety versus carbs so that they can still feel full despite of dropping some amounts of carbs.
Kaya madalas na advice is to bulk up pero may reduce amount of this and that and increase amount of this and that with the simplest advice from the masters can give.
@jonrivs49
Lahat kasi ng sinasabi mo alam na namin lol paulit-ulit ka nalang parang ni lelecturan mo pa kami eh ka bago-bago mo dito. Kung bago at maganda yang impormasyong mabibigay mo edi maganda pero kung puro generic lang naman wag mo na kami lecturan.
So ano na ang pinaguusapan dito? kindly give us a brief outline of what you guys are pointing out? para macompare natin
1.
2.
3.
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woa. boy nagiisip ka ba? so pag ang whey hinalo ko sa casein magiging casein na ang whey? yun ung point ko.
kung 24 grams ang casein mo hinalo mo sa 24grams na whey hindi magiging 48grams na casein? GETS MO?
whey will still be absorbed faster and the casein will be absorbed longer.
24 grams will still be absorbed as whey
and
24 grams will still be absorbed as casein
and im aware on blended proteins. like myofusion and promatrix 7, but the whey there is a bit low.
kung isang serving ng myofusion is 24 grams of protein
it can mean na
5grams is soy protein
5grams is rice protein
5grams is isolate
5grams is concentrate
4grams is hydrolyzed
unlike sa Whey na ikaw ang maghahalo sa Milk or Casein
its will still be
Whey conc/hydro/iso
+
Casein/Milk
gets mo? hindi magic ang paghahalo ng whey sa casein. mag aral ka muna kaya ng biochemistry saka mo ko turuan ng napupulot mo sa google boy.
LOL
medyo nalito din ako sa discussion nila una about absorption and sources lang napunta kela Steve fox at matt bogus tas napunta ke pareng google at wikipedia.
Oo nga naman ano ba naman kasi mga punto nyo
I was abused.
@mon
sorry kung mukhang google / wiki lang yung mga sinasabi ko. Eh yun yung nakalagay sa mga libro na PDF ko eh.
Pakibura na lang mga pinost ko, since wala ata kinalaman dito lol
Tinatanong ni vinch ung point nyo ni jorvis for the sake of discussing and going back to the topic.
Sino ba umabuso sayo?
Not sure 'bout this one...
[size=x-small](*bump)[/size]Are aware of the limitations of the studies you're providing to us?
IMO, hindi naman sa hindi ako naniniwala but, I'm not making my mind settled and make absolute basis on those researches. I know most of them are conducted in a short term duration, and that's among what most studies concerning health biggest flaws are. Gagawin mo lang in months? Nabubuhay ang tao for decades, even on extreme rare cases, we have centennarians. Kung hindi man doon ang problema, nasa subjects/participants/groups ng studies.
Kami bang nandito ba sa forums yun? You are making accusations like you've already read a lot what all the members discussed here in this forum. And I know that won't be necessary kung hindi ka open-minded.
Ok before ego give whey(oh wait, that should be 'way'), don't get me wrong like am mad typing to you right now.
Oh wait! You crossed the line there. Stereotype Alert!
Now you sounds like you're underestimating the big guys?
So where did we got ours?
So let's say there's this nutritionist/practitioner, would you believe him if his big? Would you believe him if he made some research regarded in some article in a certain way?
I believe there's a room for common sense here...
And you know what? There's a big irony deep in this statement! I hope you can fathom that...
And muscles have protein in it. A person may survive for days without food, not without water, because of the energy stored in our body, amongst the energy in muscles, bodyfats and other organs. I'm certain you already know that.
It's normal for human beings to aspire for the word 'easy'. Nobody gets contented! Nobody gets contented where they at now. There always the room for improvement.
aloy - He thinks nutrition works like an alchemy. I think this guy watching or reading too much of those stuff. And I also think the word 'easy' was planted in this op mind. The complexities of chemistry, yes, are by some means no longer accepted! We have alchemy! [size=x-small](*Sarcasm is optional)[/size]
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Alam natin na walang one size fits all pero ano ang pinaka magandang advice para sa tulad naming baguhan sa nutrisyon na buod o napakadaling maintindihan ng simula?