@sir braso
sir yung salbutamol/albuterol daw mas okey compare sa clen?
guys try nyo wiki salbutamol kasi medyo naguguluhan me sa pagkaintindi
pero sabi ng iba user's okey sya dahil shortlive unlike clen??
sorry bro.. wala pa akong nakilalang na naka gamit or gumagamit nyan (be it competitive bb or recreational bb or weight lifter) so wala akong info for you based on ACTUAL experience.. hindi din kasama sa mga recommendation ng mga guru na nag tu-turo sa amin
hope makatulong o maenlighten ibang reader at ako na gusto sumubok hehehe
wanna try sana yung generic salbu for 1week pero pagalingin
ko muna yung ubo ko, baka kasi magkaconflict.
pag malala na nebulizer na! heheheinfo lang sa albaterol.. parang bumibilis talaga tibok ng puso mo dito pinapawisan ka lagi.. yun ang effect sa sakin.. and same with nebulizer.
@sir braso
sir yung salbutamol/albuterol daw mas okey compare sa clen?
guys try nyo wiki salbutamol kasi medyo naguguluhan me sa pagkaintindi
pero sabi ng iba user's okey sya dahil shortlive unlike clen??
sorry bro.. wala pa akong nakilalang na naka gamit or gumagamit nyan (be it competitive bb or recreational bb or weight lifter) so wala akong info for you based on ACTUAL experience.. hindi din kasama sa mga recommendation ng mga guru na nag tu-turo sa amin
some say they prefer albu than clen because it has a much more cleaner effect. basically dahil siguro sa half life ng albu mas madaling mawala sa sistema mo ang negative sides nito like shakes and insomnia.
but for me i prefer using clen, the negative sides fades away in due time and its much cheaper and more accessible.
Diet and bodybuilding use
Salbutamol is taken by some as an alternative to clenbuterol for purposes of fat burning,[6] and/or as a performance enhancer. Abuse of the drug may be confirmed by detection of its presence in plasma or urine, typically exceeding 1000 µg/L.[7]
@sir braso
sir yung salbutamol/albuterol daw mas okey compare sa clen?
guys try nyo wiki salbutamol kasi medyo naguguluhan me sa pagkaintindi
pero sabi ng iba user's okey sya dahil shortlive unlike clen??
sorry bro.. wala pa akong nakilalang na naka gamit or gumagamit nyan (be it competitive bb or recreational bb or weight lifter) so wala akong info for you based on ACTUAL experience.. hindi din kasama sa mga recommendation ng mga guru na nag tu-turo sa amin
some say they prefer albu than clen because it has a much more cleaner effect. basically dahil siguro sa half life ng albu mas madaling mawala sa sistema mo ang negative sides nito like shakes and insomnia.
but for me i prefer using clen, the negative sides fades away in due time and its much cheaper and more accessible.
@sir milk sa tingin ko po mas mura at accessible ang albuterol/salbutamol?
Kasi natanong sa botica pag branded glaxosmith nasa 7.75 per 2mg tablet, while sa generics piso lang for a 4mg tablet. Sinubukan ko muna ang 2mg medyo me tremor nga akong naramdaman pero nawala naman after WO at postmeal, yung nga lang parang makati sa lalamunan? Same ba ng sides sa clen makati ang throat?
ah! so hindi mo kailangan ng script to buy it? hmm ok yun ah! try using it 4mg 3-4x a day! ilang days ka na gumagamit?i have to try pag nagpa kondisyon na ako. i hope the efficacy would be as good as clen.
may mga brand ba yung clen??maliit na tabs daw to eh sabi skin nung nag recommend..anlayo ko na kasi pat eh..balitaan mo ko kung kuha ka at kung anu anu pang details...
kelangan ko kasi to kasi sasampa ko sa dec kasabay ni sir milk at rot..nyahahaha
Ayut yan bro!hehe Pero teka, hindi talaga ako kampante sa Eagle Anabolics brand ng clen. Try ko hanap online nung brand na nagamit na ni sir braso. Pag meron na send ko sayo yung clen cycle.
@sir milk sa tingin ko po mas mura at accessible ang albuterol/salbutamol?
Kasi natanong sa botica pag branded glaxosmith nasa 7.75 per 2mg tablet, while sa generics piso lang for a 4mg tablet. Sinubukan ko muna ang 2mg medyo me tremor nga akong naramdaman pero nawala naman after WO at postmeal, yung nga lang parang makati sa lalamunan? Same ba ng sides sa clen makati ang throat?
@sir mga 2 days na tig 2mg pero tinigil ko 2 days ago kasi nangati lalamunan ko at inuubo ako. Today after waking up tinake ko na ang 4mg salbutamol kasi medyo nawawala na kasi kati at ubo. After dosing mga 15mins parang nanginginig at mainit. Btw scheele brand nabili ko na salbutamol OTC mga 1.75 ata yung 4mg. Feedback later after 4hrs.@sir mga 2 days na tig 2mg pero tinigil ko 2 days ago kasi nangati lalamunan ko at inuubo ako. Today after waking up tinake ko na ang 4mg salbutamol kasi medyo nawawala na kasi kati at ubo. After dosing mga 15mins parang nanginginig at mainit. Btw scheele brand nabili ko na salbutamol OTC mga 1.75 ata yung 4mg. Feedback later after 4hrs.
Thank you sir milk. BUti merong local seller that carries that brand. Try ko muna clen and try ko sabayan ng ketotifen kung kaya ng budget ko.
Post ko na din pala dito yung clen and ketotifen dosage.
Excerpts taken from World Class Body Building...
"The Clenbuterol will raise your bodies temperature and heartrate, therefore burning more calories per hour. Normally your body will not get any effect from Clenbuterol after 3 weeks, but this is why we take it with Ketotifen.
The Ketotifen will keep your Beta 2 receptors in good shape, meaning you can use Clenbuterol for longer up to 6 weeks. (Clenbuterol can not safely be used for longer than 3 weeks, without a 3 week break, unless you are using Ketotifen daily from the second week).
Special Attention needs to be paid to the start AND end of your 6 Weeks of Clenbuterol, start with a small dose for the first 2 days, the a slightly higher dose for another 2 days and then your max/recommended dose for the remainder of the cycle. When you come to the end of the cycle, reverse the process, taking slightly less for 2 days, then slightly less for another 2 days and then stopping.
THE FIRST TIME YOU TAKE CLENBUTEROL: You must establish for yourself what is the correct dosage. For a woman it will be between 40-100mcg, for a man between 80-160mcg. You start on 20-40mcg for a couple of days, then you raise to 40-80mcg for a couple more days.. at this point you should “feel” the clenbuterol working, if your hands are shaking slightly, don’t worry that should subside in a day, if it does not you are taking slightly too much and you need to reduce your dose 20-40mcg. So it’s the point where your taking just less than the amount that makes your hands tremble that you want to find and this is your MAX dose. You want to be taking enough Clenbuterol to be “feeling it” when your doing your workout, but not so much that your hands are shaking and making you feel uncomfortable.
Ketotifen take 2 tablets a day everyday before bed from week 2-6.
The thing to remember about Ketotifen is that is makes you drowsy and you should not take it in the morning or before driving your car."
Following the suggested safe dosage eto ang magiging itsura ng clen ketotifen cycle...
Days 1 & 2: 20mcg
Days 3 & 4: 40mcg
Days 5 & 6: 60mcg
Days 7 & 8: 80mcg
Days 9 & 10: 100mcg
Days 11 - 34: 120mcg
Days 35 & 36: 100mcg
Days 37 & 38: 80mcg
Days 39 & 40: 60mcg
Days 41 & 42: 20mcg
Total mcgs = 4,000 (1 bottle) BTW inayos ko lang yung dosage para sakto sa isang bote.
day 1: 40mcg
day 2: 40mcg (still looking for reaction)
day 3: 80mcg (upped the dose as 40mcg feels nothing)
day 4: 120mcg (this one hits the spot)
120mcg is my tolearable dosage, some stay at 80mcg because the sides are too much.
after that, continue using 120mcg for the whole 4 weeks
take ketotifen (2x/day) starting on the 3rd week then stop on the 4th.
i only did 4 weeks of clen. lost 10lbs total from that cycle.
sides: shakes and faster heart beat/rate oh and but cramps. the cramps and fast heartbeat went away after one week of use.
just remember, different people have different reactions effects from this drug.
buh, tablet yang clen umorder na'ko.hehe sir milk try ko bukas pero 20mcg lang muna ako. mahirap baka mabigla ako, pers taym. ang mahal nga ng ketotifen grabe, sinabi na sakin ni filchibuff pero nun nagtanong ako sa generics pharm dito samin potek 40 ang 1mg na branded, eh kelangan 2 per day! putek papatak na P2,800 yung ketotifen per cycle. mahal pa sa clen amp! Hanap hanap muna ako baka may generic na mura-mura tutal week 2 ko pa naman kelangan yung ketotifen.
bibilis heart rate nyo dyan kasi dilator sya, parang NO vasodilator, hinahabol ng heart yung pump volume ng dugo, delikado to kung mababa BP mo kasi mas lalong papababain, kaya magpapalpitate ka.
Pat.. good choice for a start... check and balance kumbaga
Sir Milks... cycle is pretty solid.. thanks for the adding the ketotifen (i forgot to tell pat about it)
I had a 5.5kg fat drop & loss of 1kg Lean MM after my 4 week clen cycle (not during)
I was happy but after trying 3 different cutting approach, truth be told how hard it is to cut and get to the minus 10% bf without really focusing on nutrition (thats where i failed)... heck, i was not even prepping for a competition.
goodluck to nattyP and Pat --- im sure you have better nutri control and activities to match your cycle
oo nga koya braso kahit anong gamot pa wala din wenta kung di din in-check ang diet eh. yung last clen cycle ko i feel mas malaki pa yung mababawa sakin kung super strict ang diet ko nun.
pat- kung ayaw mong gumastos para sa ketotifen, mag 2 weeks on 2 weeks off ka. kaya lang hindi ko alam kung magiging stable ang fat loss mo sa ganung cycle. may mga nabasa akong posts dati sa ibang forum about it, if they stay off a bit medyo bumabawi daw yung timbang nila. well, you have to try it on your own i guess.
buh- you can order clen onlin. try searching sulit.ph and try to find a good source.
sir milk-hanap mo na ko..ala kong alam sa mga ganyan..lamu naman ako subok lang ako ng subok..ahaha..kita mo ngayon patuka sa manok kinakain ko..ahahaha
katatapos lang WO delts/arms after taking 4mg salbu para kinakabahan after an hour taking.
pero ng start ng WO okey lang naman ang hearbeat mas sweaty but no lightheaded,jitter
UPDATE ko na lang every 4 days ang experience ko sa salbu, DC kasi net sa bahay
or try ko pa rin EOD pag okey ang net sa CP ko.
Pat.. good choice for a start... check and balance kumbaga
goodluck to nattyP and Pat --- im sure you have better nutri control and activities to match your cycle
Salamat sir, gusto ko lang talaga mag drop ng at least 10lbs within 30 days para lumabas na ang dapat lumabas. Inip nako eh.hehe BTW, yes sir, diet and wo is in check.
pat- kung ayaw mong gumastos para sa ketotifen, mag 2 weeks on 2 weeks off ka. kaya lang hindi ko alam kung magiging stable ang fat loss mo sa ganung cycle. may mga nabasa akong posts dati sa ibang forum about it, if they stay off a bit medyo bumabawi daw yung timbang nila. well, you have to try it on your own i guess.
Aun lang sir, baka masayang lang yung progress ko ng 2 weeks habang naka off cycle ako. Hanap ako ng mas mura pero kung wala talaga, no choice, bahala na si batman. After ng cycle hanap agad ako work, paubos na backpay ko.hehe
GOt my clen today. Sobra liit pala neto. hehe Sa sunday ko na sya susubukan. Attend kasi ako kasal later eh baka dun ako mag-shakes isipin ng mga kamaganak ko na adik ako.hehe
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sorry bro.. wala pa akong nakilalang na naka gamit or gumagamit nyan (be it competitive bb or recreational bb or weight lifter) so wala akong info for you based on ACTUAL experience.. hindi din kasama sa mga recommendation ng mga guru na nag tu-turo sa amin
@MOD okey lang ba post ng link?
Albuterol/Salbutamol user feedback
hope makatulong o maenlighten ibang reader at ako na gusto sumubok hehehe
wanna try sana yung generic salbu for 1week pero pagalingin
ko muna yung ubo ko, baka kasi magkaconflict.
kung may prescription ka ng albuterol you can use it as a cutting agent during your cutting period.
some say they prefer albu than clen because it has a much more cleaner effect. basically dahil siguro sa half life ng albu mas madaling mawala sa sistema mo ang negative sides nito like shakes and insomnia.
but for me i prefer using clen, the negative sides fades away in due time and its much cheaper and more accessible.
Salbutamol is taken by some as an alternative to clenbuterol for purposes of fat burning,[6] and/or as a performance enhancer. Abuse of the drug may be confirmed by detection of its presence in plasma or urine, typically exceeding 1000 µg/L.[7]
perforamnce enhancer pala tong hawak ko.. hehehe
Kasi natanong sa botica pag branded glaxosmith nasa 7.75 per 2mg tablet, while sa generics piso lang for a 4mg tablet. Sinubukan ko muna ang 2mg medyo me tremor nga akong naramdaman pero nawala naman after WO at postmeal, yung nga lang parang makati sa lalamunan? Same ba ng sides sa clen makati ang throat?
Ayut yan bro!hehe Pero teka, hindi talaga ako kampante sa Eagle Anabolics brand ng clen. Try ko hanap online nung brand na nagamit na ni sir braso. Pag meron na send ko sayo yung clen cycle.
Napaisip din tuloy ako dito ah.
Post ko na din pala dito yung clen and ketotifen dosage.
Excerpts taken from World Class Body Building...
"The Clenbuterol will raise your bodies temperature and heartrate, therefore burning more calories per hour. Normally your body will not get any effect from Clenbuterol after 3 weeks, but this is why we take it with Ketotifen.
The Ketotifen will keep your Beta 2 receptors in good shape, meaning you can use Clenbuterol for longer up to 6 weeks. (Clenbuterol can not safely be used for longer than 3 weeks, without a 3 week break, unless you are using Ketotifen daily from the second week).
Special Attention needs to be paid to the start AND end of your 6 Weeks of Clenbuterol, start with a small dose for the first 2 days, the a slightly higher dose for another 2 days and then your max/recommended dose for the remainder of the cycle. When you come to the end of the cycle, reverse the process, taking slightly less for 2 days, then slightly less for another 2 days and then stopping.
THE FIRST TIME YOU TAKE CLENBUTEROL: You must establish for yourself what is the correct dosage. For a woman it will be between 40-100mcg, for a man between 80-160mcg. You start on 20-40mcg for a couple of days, then you raise to 40-80mcg for a couple more days.. at this point you should “feel” the clenbuterol working, if your hands are shaking slightly, don’t worry that should subside in a day, if it does not you are taking slightly too much and you need to reduce your dose 20-40mcg. So it’s the point where your taking just less than the amount that makes your hands tremble that you want to find and this is your MAX dose. You want to be taking enough Clenbuterol to be “feeling it” when your doing your workout, but not so much that your hands are shaking and making you feel uncomfortable.
Ketotifen take 2 tablets a day everyday before bed from week 2-6.
The thing to remember about Ketotifen is that is makes you drowsy and you should not take it in the morning or before driving your car."
Following the suggested safe dosage eto ang magiging itsura ng clen ketotifen cycle...
Days 1 & 2: 20mcg
Days 3 & 4: 40mcg
Days 5 & 6: 60mcg
Days 7 & 8: 80mcg
Days 9 & 10: 100mcg
Days 11 - 34: 120mcg
Days 35 & 36: 100mcg
Days 37 & 38: 80mcg
Days 39 & 40: 60mcg
Days 41 & 42: 20mcg
Total mcgs = 4,000 (1 bottle) BTW inayos ko lang yung dosage para sakto sa isang bote.
BTW, still waiting for a response from the seller. Tinawagan ko hindi sumasagot. Amp!
day 1: 40mcg
day 2: 40mcg (still looking for reaction)
day 3: 80mcg (upped the dose as 40mcg feels nothing)
day 4: 120mcg (this one hits the spot)
120mcg is my tolearable dosage, some stay at 80mcg because the sides are too much.
after that, continue using 120mcg for the whole 4 weeks
take ketotifen (2x/day) starting on the 3rd week then stop on the 4th.
i only did 4 weeks of clen. lost 10lbs total from that cycle.
sides: shakes and faster heart beat/rate oh and but cramps. the cramps and fast heartbeat went away after one week of use.
just remember, different people have different reactions effects from this drug.
turok ba to??
Pat.. good choice for a start... check and balance kumbaga
Sir Milks... cycle is pretty solid.. thanks for the adding the ketotifen (i forgot to tell pat about it)
I had a 5.5kg fat drop & loss of 1kg Lean MM after my 4 week clen cycle (not during)
I was happy but after trying 3 different cutting approach, truth be told how hard it is to cut and get to the minus 10% bf without really focusing on nutrition (thats where i failed)... heck, i was not even prepping for a competition.
goodluck to nattyP and Pat --- im sure you have better nutri control and activities to match your cycle
pat- kung ayaw mong gumastos para sa ketotifen, mag 2 weeks on 2 weeks off ka. kaya lang hindi ko alam kung magiging stable ang fat loss mo sa ganung cycle. may mga nabasa akong posts dati sa ibang forum about it, if they stay off a bit medyo bumabawi daw yung timbang nila. well, you have to try it on your own i guess.
buh- you can order clen onlin. try searching sulit.ph and try to find a good source.
pero ng start ng WO okey lang naman ang hearbeat mas sweaty but no lightheaded,jitter
UPDATE ko na lang every 4 days ang experience ko sa salbu, DC kasi net sa bahay
or try ko pa rin EOD pag okey ang net sa CP ko.
Salamat sir, gusto ko lang talaga mag drop ng at least 10lbs within 30 days para lumabas na ang dapat lumabas. Inip nako eh.hehe BTW, yes sir, diet and wo is in check.
Aun lang sir, baka masayang lang yung progress ko ng 2 weeks habang naka off cycle ako. Hanap ako ng mas mura pero kung wala talaga, no choice, bahala na si batman. After ng cycle hanap agad ako work, paubos na backpay ko.hehe
Sir kuha ka ng before and after pics para makita natin ung effect ng salbu, ganun din gawin ko sa clen.