@dalton: parehas sila in a way in terms of benefit sa specific target muscle and parehas din ng involved muscles sa movement but in a bodybuilding approach magkaiba sila because of the difference sa stress ng pushing from the bottom versus pushing on top. Magkaiba din ang stabilty na kelangan sa fw barbell versus bw. But Overall, both are beneficial for chest development. Sa case ni masala na mahina sya sa pushing movements tapos strength training sya, for me bw exercises is very helpful lalo na at close to 200lbs ang timbang nya
This is my take for aesthetics dips can be a replacement to some extent but if you're taking about real strength gains then no. Dips is just one piece of the puzzle. There are a lot of supporting muscle groups involved that you need to develop in order to increase your strength gains in any compound lifts.
Dips is just an accessory exercise so you can't expect much from it in terms of strength gains.
sa case ni masala maker na walang access to BP at sa bahay lang daw sya magwoworkout, dips and push up ang options nya (but that is kung sa bahay lang sya). pag nasa gym BP pa din the best at dapat nya gawin ang alam ko he can do 1-2 reps sa dips assuming na his ROM is ok, so not bad for pushing 200lbs BW
^Yup agree with that if he has no choice and don't have access to a gym. Yun nga lang hanggang dun na lang sya and the most that he can do is rep out once nasanay na sya sa BW nya but that wouldn't translate into strength gains sa BP when he does BP again.
Tanong ako, medyo magulo pa sakin ang pinagkaiba :
Drop sets vs Reverse Pyramid training..
They're all starting at max work set then dropping the weights and increasing the reps.. but what's the difference?
If I remember it right, sa drop sets once you reach your target reps on your top set, you start stripping down the weight and hit your target reps then strip down again until what is left is only the bar in your hands while barely having rest between your sets (around 5-10 secs of rest most likely). Unlike RPT na ginagawa mo may prescribed (and a bit longer) rest periods. Others who are used to doing drop sets are free to correct me if there is something lacking/wrong w/ it
^sakin naman di ko kailangan ubusin yung load ng bar/machine (pero mas prefer ko sa machine dahil matagal mag alis ng plato sa bar haha) pag nag drodropset ako basta i aim for mga 21ish+ reps (depende sa goal ko) pag nakuha ko na yong gustong kong reps and pump sa muscle ititigil ko na yung set, well that's just me ewan ko sa iba.
As far as I know, for drop sets, you go to failure on your top set, drop the weight, rinse and repeat, with minimal rests in between. 2-3 sets of drop sets are usually used from your top set. No actual target rep. You go on until failure.
If I remember it right, sa drop sets once you reach your target reps on your top set, you start stripping down the weight and hit your target reps then strip down again until what is left is only the bar in your hands while barely having rest between your sets (around 5-10 secs of rest most likely). Unlike RPT na ginagawa mo may prescribed (and a bit longer) rest periods. Others who are used to doing drop sets are free to correct me if there is something lacking/wrong w/ it
yup...
drop set - one long set where u start with a weight and rep to failure, lower the weight and rep to failure, and again.. and again.. and again until you reach your target end weight and end rep.. no rest (only during the strip down).. this is usually done after one or two working sets imo.
RPT - u start with a weight (max or break pr) and rep to failure, rest. drop the weight and have a rep range, rest. drop the weight and have a rep range +1 or 2 from the previous set, rest.. and again based on how many sets you are targetting.. this is usually done after a good close to failure warm-up sets x 2.
in both program, weights can be lowered based on % or fixed (by 5s, 10s,15s etc), depending on your training approach
yown thanks... yun pala yung sa drop set, meaning mas nakakamatay sa dami even on deloading sets..
RPT kasi for me nakakatulong to break PR's or pass the heavy weights on cutting phase eh dahil sobrang preservation ng energy till ma wornout tho I believe hindi maganda to for bulking for progressive loading. ( that's me dahil naka box ata ako sa leangains approach LOL )
Thanks mga DS, Rid, at kay sir braso for hitting the spot! yun kasi nababasa ko eh daming english, dumugo na ilong ko sa mga terminology! iba talaga pag nabuod na.
mga paps, kamusta? ill be active na ulit dito sa thread.
ask ko lng aside sa ortho san pwede mag pa check up? malala na yung problem ng left shoulder ko, madalas ng mg lock yung shoulder ko. even sa biglaang pag uunat from work ng lolock, hndi ko maigalaw, sobrang hirap bago maibalik sa dati. hndi ko alam kung ano yung problem, kanina lng ng basket ako, ng stuck up ulit. gusto ko ng ipa check, parang nwawala sa rotator cuff un alignment ng mga buto ko.
nakita ko sa youtube un treatment ng chiro. grabe haha! parang nararamdaman ko un ginagawa. i think kelangan ko muna mag pa x-ray. baka pag nagpaka gnun ako, biglang malagot un mga litid sa rotator cuff ko. delikado -_-
^bro.. chiro, ortho, sports doc.. they will require for you to have an xray first to check for bone spurs, dislocation, cracks, etc. etc.. depending on the xray and the gravity of your pain, rom, strength when doing assessment, they might need to require for u to undergo an mri to find out the deeper root of the injury.
wag ka magalit bro, naka ilang reply na kung anu pa pwede mo gawin. kung mag tatanong ka nang presyo, may access ka sa google para maka check nang mga clinics/centers/hospital na malapit sayo at TAWAGAN mo sila para mag tanong kung magkano.
kung nag titipid ka or namamahalan, tyagain mo nalang yung sakit or mag sarili kang rehab.. or mag pa albukayro ka.
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Dips is just an accessory exercise so you can't expect much from it in terms of strength gains.
Drop sets vs Reverse Pyramid training..
They're all starting at max work set then dropping the weights and increasing the reps.. but what's the difference?
Rest day ng sat-sun
Yan din alam ko eh, lalo na kung nde mo kya body weight mo sa dips, may tendency mandaya ka, nde mo sya ma full rom,
If I remember it right, sa drop sets once you reach your target reps on your top set, you start stripping down the weight and hit your target reps then strip down again until what is left is only the bar in your hands while barely having rest between your sets (around 5-10 secs of rest most likely). Unlike RPT na ginagawa mo may prescribed (and a bit longer) rest periods. Others who are used to doing drop sets are free to correct me if there is something lacking/wrong w/ it
yup...
drop set - one long set where u start with a weight and rep to failure, lower the weight and rep to failure, and again.. and again.. and again until you reach your target end weight and end rep.. no rest (only during the strip down).. this is usually done after one or two working sets imo.
RPT - u start with a weight (max or break pr) and rep to failure, rest. drop the weight and have a rep range, rest. drop the weight and have a rep range +1 or 2 from the previous set, rest.. and again based on how many sets you are targetting.. this is usually done after a good close to failure warm-up sets x 2.
in both program, weights can be lowered based on % or fixed (by 5s, 10s,15s etc), depending on your training approach
i maybe wrong. hehe
RPT kasi for me nakakatulong to break PR's or pass the heavy weights on cutting phase eh dahil sobrang preservation ng energy till ma wornout tho I believe hindi maganda to for bulking for progressive loading. ( that's me dahil naka box ata ako sa leangains approach LOL )
Thanks mga DS, Rid, at kay sir braso for hitting the spot! yun kasi nababasa ko eh daming english, dumugo na ilong ko sa mga terminology! iba talaga pag nabuod na.
and btw, alin ang tama, dapat ba unahin ang DL before yung ibang lats excersises or pahuli na yung deadlift?
ask ko lng aside sa ortho san pwede mag pa check up? malala na yung problem ng left shoulder ko, madalas ng mg lock yung shoulder ko. even sa biglaang pag uunat from work ng lolock, hndi ko maigalaw, sobrang hirap bago maibalik sa dati. hndi ko alam kung ano yung problem, kanina lng ng basket ako, ng stuck up ulit. gusto ko ng ipa check, parang nwawala sa rotator cuff un alignment ng mga buto ko.
chiro
sports doc
chinese clinic
hilot / albularyo
tapos may extra pa, hilutin yung pawir mo. ( not srs )
Chiro/sports doc bro
tama si papa dalts di makukuha sa xray yan. stay safe
uu nga paps. no choice ako kung mag pa chiro. kung sa ortho kaya ako mgpnta?
wag ka magalit bro, naka ilang reply na kung anu pa pwede mo gawin. kung mag tatanong ka nang presyo, may access ka sa google para maka check nang mga clinics/centers/hospital na malapit sayo at TAWAGAN mo sila para mag tanong kung magkano.
kung nag titipid ka or namamahalan, tyagain mo nalang yung sakit or mag sarili kang rehab.. or mag pa albukayro ka.