Help. Slow muscle growth

Hello. Throughout he years, medyo inconsistent yung pag weweights ko and malakas din ako mag cardio dati so hindi talaga ako naka pag build ng muscle.

Last year, triny ko mag weights lang para lumaki for 2 months. And then ngayon ulit mga 2 1/2 months na ako nag weiweights ulit.

Sinusundan ko lahat ng good advice i.e. sa thread na ito

Consistent yung training ko, diet, etc. Hardcore ang effort and discipline. Hindi lang ako genetically gifted, un lang naiisip kong dahilan. At mabilis akong tumaba kesa mag gain ng muscle.

Yung naiisip ko lang reason bakit supot yung progress ko ay:
Supplements

Tinetake ko lang protein powder. Sobrang importante po ba ang mga
inaadvocate sa mga sites nito ?

Lately iniisip ko mag steroids para gumanda katawan ko kase parang sobrang bagal mag react ng katawan ko at ang hirap lumaki. Kung lumaki nga ng konti, bilis ko naman tumaba.

Any help appreciated,
Salamat

Comments

  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    Wag kayo masyado magmadali 2 1/2 mos is a very short time to expect some major results. Also gano na po ba kabigat ang poundage nyo sa Squat, Deadlift, Bench Press and Military Press?
  • hi. salamat sa reply. hmm hindi ko masyado cinocompute, pero binilang ko ngayon. ung squat ko mga 115, mga 8-10 reps.
    military press mga ganon din. Deadlift, mga 160+ 8-10 reps.

    Bench Press lang yung hindi ko nagagawa ngayon dahil sa bahay lang ako for now and di pa nakaset up yung bench so elevated fast push ups lang for the time being.. pero mag start na ako mag bench soon.

    ung weight ko mga 140. Height 5'7 1/2. Medyo magaan ako pero dami ko kasing stubborn fat sa midsection kaya pangit yung itsura ko pag nag gain masyado ng fat. Very clean yung diet ko. Turning 29 years old na.Yung goal ko ay mag gain pero maging low body fat din at cut, so plano ko mag mga 2 month bulk then 2-3 week cut cycles... Medyo preparing na ako para mag cut for the first time ngayon...

    Hindi ko kaya psychologically mag gain masyado kase bilis pumanget katawan ko pag tumaba so ngayon medyo feeling ko tumataba na akoprogress wise, may progress naman ako in strength, military press pinaka ramdam ko.

    ung badtrip lang pag cinocompare mo sarili mo sa iba.. ung ibang tao kase sobrang bilis ng gains nila... and naturally gaganda ng mga katawan... nakaka inggit lang
  • XbrainXgainXbrainXgain Posts: 818
    compare yourself only to yourself. :) like sir mighty said 2 1/2 months ay very short time. ganyan din nafeel ko dati. parang nawawalan ng motivation or humahanap ng rason kung bakit hindi ako lumalaki ng ganun kabilis. medyo nainstill narin kasi sa mga pagiisip natin na gusto natin ng mabilisan na resulta. yun kasi yung pinapakita ng mga supplement industry. wag mo masyadong isipin. gaya ng sinasabi ni jeff willet "dont over complicate things". as long as you have a good plan, sundan mo lang yun. any achievement you get, kahit .5lbs lang yan. thats a step forward for you. :) hope this helps.
  • Raven1990Raven1990 Posts: 44
    Workout, recovery, and nutrition. Higit sa lahat patience.hehe
  • ProlevelzProlevelz Posts: 1,162
    di ka naman siguro mag aattend ng contest?

    Lift more, eat more, recover-relax more.... yan lang.... ganyan din mindset ko dati.... ngayon di gaano lumalaki pero im still on it for aiming my goal..... aabot rin tayo doon... like they said: 5lbs is a forward march for us.... kahit sa akin 2lbs ok na yun,.... basta pursue mo lang and motivate.....
  • salamat sa replies
  • arwin0609arwin0609 Posts: 984
    sabi nga nila kailangan may STD ka (Sipag, Tiyaga at Determinasyon)... :)
  • NiceTry333NiceTry333 Posts: 326
    arwin0609 wrote:
    sabi nga nila kailangan may STD ka (Sipag, Tiyaga at Determinasyon)... :)

    LOL :lol::lol:
  • ipisipis Posts: 223
    slow muscle growth kamo? kumain ka ng tama. tsaka sa gym ka mag buhat kung kulang mga gamit mo. :)
  • nattypinoynattypinoy Posts: 158
    Define eating clean? Kasi kung tumataba ka ibig sabihin mali macros mo. Same tayo ng age ng nagstart ako magstart ng buhat till now minimal lang ang gains kasi kulang macros at supps stack. Btw im at 30 so far di pa rin bumibitaw sa dedikasyon. Ika nga ng idol na si arnie rome wasnt built in a day, tama ba? Kelangan dito patience, consistency at higit sa lahat discpline sa training, nutrition at recovery. Wag mo unahin ang cut kung wala naman ikacut. Build a solid foundation a muscle mass then dun ka magplan ng cutting.
  • daltonkamotedaltonkamote Posts: 3,629
    " bawal mainipin sa larangan na to"

    "ang mainip, talo"

    yan lang po masasabi. ako genes ko eh basura din, pero wala akong pake. hahaha!
  • ka Paulka Paul Posts: 8
    hiyang na kasi muscles mo sa programs mo... try mo ibang exercises... heto:

    Lose Fats, Gain Muscle
    ■ Lift weight first before doing cardio exercises.
    ■ Limit cardio exercise to 25mins in different pace (jog, walk, jumping jack, mountain climbing, etc).
    ■ Add more weights, sets or reps.
    ■ Concentrate first on one muscle area.
    ■ Muscles grow during rest, not during training.


    bless you!:wink:
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    ^Pano mo nasabi na "hiyang" na muscles nya? Care to expound?

    May kaparehas ka ng "unrealistic goals" pati weight na din. Pati na rin kung gano nagmamadali.

  • salamat sa replies ulit..

    mga 9 weeks ako nag clean bulk. Ngayon kaka start ko lang mag Cut. Try ko siguro 2 weeks. Night 2 ako ngayon, Lyle McDonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0.

    Regarding sa growth/fat gain ko, siguro inexaggerate ko ng konti yung fat gain. Nag gain ako ng konti, pero kung ano lang yung expected siguro. Tsaka na push siguro ng muscle yung fat kaya mukhang mas mataba. Yung macros ko i think ok naman. Maybe 30% protein 40% carbs 20% fat, hindi lang ako sure.
    Actually ung calories ko hindi ako nag exceed masyado. Feeling ko sa rest days ako tumataba tsaka sa mga low intensity days.

    Pero slow talaga... Maslalo ngayon na nag start ako mag cut, nawala na yung pump so lumiit ulit ung muscle.

    Hirap sya psychologically mag start ng cut. pero mukhang nakakasanayan naman. Kelangan lang i get over yung hump. Plano ko lang mag mga 2 - 3 week cuts, then 2 month bulks more or less.

    Nakahanap ako ng fish oil tabs for my supplementation. Bibili din ako ng Creatine within the week.

    Ngayon medyo complete na ung gamit ko except para sa likod (rows). Sa gym, medyo nag titipid din kase sa ngayon at kulang sa oras tsaka baka mag mukha ako masyadong noob, pagtawanan ako ng mga tao hehe. Baka after mga 1 year pwede na hehe.

    Pero patience talaga... grabeng patience lang talaga.
    Ung last sport ko ay running. Minsan gusto ko mag train, pero ayoko magstop yung pag build ng muscle so quit muna ako. Hirap ako mag gain pero bilis mag burn ng muscle.
  • ka Paulka Paul Posts: 8
    Mighty_Oak wrote:
    ^Pano mo nasabi na "hiyang" na muscles nya? Care to expound?

    May kaparehas ka ng "unrealistic goals" pati weight na din. Pati na rin kung gano nagmamadali.

    I am sorry, sir.
    Ang ibig ko pong sabihin sa thread starter na try nya mag adjust ng programs nya, baka nakasanayan na ng katawan nya ang madalas nyang ginagawa.
    Thus, kung ang paggising sa umaga ng 6AM ay nakasanayan na ng katawan... kahit walang alarm clock, eh kusa ng babangon ang katawan natin sa kama (body-mind-clock).
    Di ba mas "unrealistic" kung wala tayong ma-isuggest?:smile:
  • rotrot78rotrot78 Posts: 1,147
    masyado maaga for 2 months para i tweak lifting program nyan.. nutrition and rest at hindi pa cute lang ng buhat sa gym. lift heavy or you fuckin go home. stay with your program make it intense and have progression sa lifting mo then post ka after 6 months then indicate your stats we will assess your progress.
  • Mighty_OakMighty_Oak Posts: 3,940
    ka Paul wrote:
    Mighty_Oak wrote:
    ^Pano mo nasabi na "hiyang" na muscles nya? Care to expound?

    May kaparehas ka ng "unrealistic goals" pati weight na din. Pati na rin kung gano nagmamadali.

    I am sorry, sir.
    Ang ibig ko pong sabihin sa thread starter na try nya mag adjust ng programs nya, baka nakasanayan na ng katawan nya ang madalas nyang ginagawa.
    Thus, kung ang paggising sa umaga ng 6AM ay nakasanayan na ng katawan... kahit walang alarm clock, eh kusa ng babangon ang katawan natin sa kama (body-mind-clock).
    Di ba mas "unrealistic" kung wala tayong ma-isuggest?:smile:

    2mos is way too short to change routines. Sa larangan nato ang mainip at nagmamadali talo.

    Saka hindi sayo intended yung 2nd statement ko.
  • BraSoBraSo Posts: 785

    mga 9 weeks ako nag clean bulk. Ngayon kaka start ko lang mag Cut. Try ko siguro 2 weeks. Night 2 ako ngayon, Lyle McDonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0.

    9 weeks for a clean bulk? thats around 2 months.. gaining muscles is more difficult than losing fat (for most people)

    what have you gained in those 2 months of clean bulk given the equipment and routine you have? given the genetic factors as well.

    and now you are cutting?

    sorry to be blunt... but until you set your self first on what you really want to achieve physically (bulk, cut, maintain, distance runners physique, sprinters physique, etc etc.) and with the current equipment you use... expect no growth at all.

    oh, when i say set your goal.. it is not short term (3 months or less)


  • my goal for this year is to be lean, not so big. mma type body or boxer type body. they are light but they have muscle.

    Braso,
    my plan) 9 week bulks, 2-3 week cuts,
    so in 1 year, my plan: 9-10 months bulk, 2-3 months cut

    so in 1 year, you're saying i should expect to gain 0 muscle? with 9-10 months of bulks?
    or you mean that if i don't have a plan, i should expect to gain 0 muscle?
    or you mean with my current equipment? (no rows and machines)

    Is 9 week bulks, 2-3 week cuts a bad idea? I know 9 week bulks is not that long but it isn't too short either
    if so, What is the shortest bulk cycle you recommend?







  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Ano yan sir, alternate ang pag bulk at cutting mo?
  • NiceTry333NiceTry333 Posts: 326
    hinahabol mo po ba ang isang taon para makuha ang goal?
  • BraSoBraSo Posts: 785
    my goal for this year is to be lean, not so big. mma type body or boxer type body. they are light but they have muscle.

    Braso,
    my plan) 9 week bulks, 2-3 week cuts,
    so in 1 year, my plan: 9-10 months bulk, 2-3 months cut

    so in 1 year, you're saying i should expect to gain 0 muscle? with 9-10 months of bulks?
    Yes. Because of the duration of your bulk and cutting weeks. and considering your previous inconsistent training program/s which according to my understanding, didnt really work well

    or you mean that if i don't have a plan, i should expect to gain 0 muscle?
    yes. refer to answer in your first question and your plan is contradicting (what if you didnt get any gains during the 9 weeks bulk? youll still go on your set 2 weeks cut)

    or you mean with my current equipment? (no rows and machines)
    this one is included. it will be a very slow process of muscle gain if you cant fully involve major or accessory muscles during a weight-training program

    Is 9 week bulks, 2-3 week cuts a bad idea? I know 9 week bulks is not that long but it isn't too short either
    if so, What is the shortest bulk cycle you recommend?
    9 weeks for a clean bulk for me is too short. give it at least 3-4 months since you have little access to equipment and inconsistent in your previous training programs, see your development then consider to cut afterwards. If you dont have much gains during the bulk, whats the point in cutting?

    Cont.
    If you go on a Lean bulk phase, there would be less concentration in cutting later on. Though you have micro to macro plan, keep it only as a timeline without pressuring yourself into going into a cut immediately after 9 weeks bulk. Let your progress come into play in dictating weather to continue bulking or start cutting.

    Edit: granted that you have your nutrition plan spot-on and wise choices and timing intake of supplement/s... you will see progress.

    mma athletes and boxers have gaining (close to bulking) periods, unlike bodybuilders, their gains are much leaner due to the meals and type of rigorous training programs they do on a daily basis.

    If you want that body, then train like a boxer or mma. not a bodybuilder. imho


  • ka Paulka Paul Posts: 8
    Mighty_Oak wrote:
    Saka hindi sayo intended yung 2nd statement ko.

    okei po, sir... thank you:wink:
  • nattypinoynattypinoy Posts: 158
    tama si sir braso you dont need to train like a bodybuilder kung yan lang pala goal mo. If you want to look a mma/boxer then train like one of them. Di mo masyado need ng lifting minimal yun. Mas need mo yung style ng training ala pacman i guess?
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    well said sir braso!
  • ipisipis Posts: 223
    " bawal mainipin sa larangan na to"

    "ang mainip, talo"

    yan lang po masasabi. ako genes ko eh basura din, pero wala akong pake. hahaha!

    maniwala ka dito. learned it the hard way. :sad:
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    nattypinoy wrote:
    tama si sir braso you dont need to train like a bodybuilder kung yan lang pala goal mo. If you want to look a mma/boxer then train like one of them. Di mo masyado need ng lifting minimal yun. Mas need mo yung style ng training ala pacman i guess?

    Tama, kasi gradual lang din naman ang paglaki ni pacman. Di naman siya nag ka-muscle agad.

    Di naman kasi agad welterweight si pacman.
  • monching11monching11 Posts: 7,273
    pacman eats a shitload of calories and burns a shitload of it too hehehehe. iba kasi ang training ng boxer, sabi nga ng halos lahat ng boxer eh mas mahirap pa ang training kesa sa mismong fight kasi the fight is 36min max compared to 2 months of training
  • StannisStannis Posts: 1,377
    Mas ok kung mag train ka ng boksing o MMA, at least di ka lang muka, marunong pa haha
  • salamat ulit sa feedback,

    braso,
    sa training ko dati, inconsistent sya dahil hindi ko talaga primary focus magpalaki ng muscle dati, bumubuhat lang ako on the side minsan, pero ibang sports ung focus ko, pero wala akong plan sa pagbubuhat.

    ngayon meron na akong plan and primary focus ko na and di na ako nag cacardio, so i think hindi na reason yung pagiging inconsistent ko dati.

    with regards to equipment, oo nga eh medyo hindi nga the best...
    sa bulk time, salamat sa advice. I will change my cycles depending on how much fat i can handle psychologically. Ngayon, tatry ko lang muna mag cut para madetermine yung results.

    Pero after this cut, try ko mag bulk ng 3-4 months.

    ---

    With regards sa discussion about Boxer body vs Bodybuilding, i think dito ako medyo disagree. Boxing training / MMA is alot about endurance, stamina, skills, etc, things that i don't need. It's easier to look like an MMA athlete or a boxer than to be one, so with bodybuilding you can look like one with half or less the effort, like the way celebrities look good for movies.

    Salamat ulit sa advice and feedback,
    Try ko din mag post ng pics ng progress..
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